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Technical Bulletin February ‘14

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Australian Standards

Here at TILERS & TRADE SHOP we often get asked by tilers whether they should use a C1 or C2 adhesive for their application. We also get asked a lot about standards.  There are 2 main standards that apply to tiling in Australia.  “AS3958:2007 – A Guide to Tiling” sets out the minimum requirements for installation of ceramic tiles. “AS/ISO 13007.1:2013 – Tile Adhesives” (formerly known as AS4992.1) sets out the performance criteria for tile adhesives.

 

The Australian Standard AS4992 was copied from ISO13007 in 2004 and was a direct response to the increasing market share of porcelain tiles. In 2013 this was slightly updated in AS/ISO 13007.1.  ALL of the tensile adhesion testing requires the compulsory use of porcelain tiles. When we get 0.5MPa to classify as C1, this is with a porcelain tile. In general, most adhesive manufacturers agree that a C1 adhesive is more than adequate for domestic homes, on concrete when the slab is to standard and the adhesive installed as per instructions. In general C1 is recommended for domestic use and C2 is recommended for commercial or heavy duty use.

 

Always tile to standard. Use the right adhesive for the job (you can always get advice from your tile adhesive manufacturer). Always read and follow the directions. Show your customers the written warranty from your particular tile adhesive manufacturer. Customers will pay more if you explain that you use quality products and tile to a standard and guarantee results.  Short cuts will often come back to cost you more than you were paid for the original job and they will also void your warranty from the adhesive manufacturer.

 

Happy Tiling!

Adhesive Classification and Designation

Type

Class

other

Description

C

 1

 

  Normal cement based adhesive- Passes all test but not Water immersion, This adhesive will not reach 1MPA after 21 days full immersion in water!

C

 1

E

  Normal cement based adhesive with extended open time

C

 1

T

  Normal cement based adhesive with vertical slip resistance

C

 1

F

  Fast setting, normal cement based adhesive ## Note - NOT RAPID SETTING

C

 1

ET

  Normal cement based adhesive with extended open time and vertical slip resistance

C

 2

 

  Improved cement based adhesive - Passes all tests and exceeds 1.0 MPA after Water immersion!

C

 2

E

  Improved cement based adhesive with extended open time

C

 2

T

  Improved cement based adhesive with vertical slip resistance

C

 2

F

  Fast setting, improved cement based adhesive

C

 2

ET

  Improved cement based adhesive with extended open time and vertical slip resistance

S

1

 

  Cement based adhesive with Transverse Deformability      S1=2.5mm to 5mm of Bending

S

2

 

  Cement based adhesive with Transverse Deformability      S2= 5mm plus  of Bending

D

 1

 

  Normal dispersion adhesive is a "PRE MIXED ADHESIVE"

D

 1

E

  Normal dispersion adhesive with extended open time

D

 1

T

  Normal dispersion adhesive with vertical slip resistance

D

 1

ET

  Normal dispersion adhesive with extended open time and vertical slip resistance

D

 2

 

  Improved dispersion adhesive

D

 2

E

  Improved dispersion adhesive with extended open time

D

 2

A

  Improved dispersion adhesive with accelerated drying

D

 2

T

  Improved dispersion adhesive with vertical slip resistance

D

 2

ET

 Improved dispersion adhesive with extended open time and vertical slip resistance

R

 1

 

  Normal resin reaction adhesive

R

 1

T

  Normal resin reaction adhesive with vertical slip resistance<

R

 2

 

  Improved resin reaction adhesive

R

 2

T

  Improved resin reaction adhesive with vertical slip resistance

# EXAMPLE:-C2TEF  = " Improved Cement Based Adhesi + Fast Setting + Good Open Time + Vertical Slip Resistance

also reaches 1.0 MPA after total immersion in water for 21 days!

Then there are the tests for the optional characteristics:



Extended open time test (The "E" characteristic);

Fast setting test (The "F" characteristic)

Slip resistance test (The "T" characteristic)

Transverse Deformability test ( The "S" characteristic)

The fundamental tests are:

Tensile Adhesion Strength; is the force required to pull a tile off the floor after 28 days.

 C1 = 0.5MPA or 0.5N/mm2     or      C2 = 1.0 MPA  or 1.0 N/mm2.

Tensile Adhesion Strength after water immersion;

Tensile adhesion strength after heat ageing;

Tensile adhesion strength after Freeze/Thaw cycles;

Tensile adhesion strength after 20 minute open time.

 



 

Australian Screed & Sand Pumping

Interesting things Tilers & Trade Shop have discovered. I remember carrying M3 of sand as well as mud up flights of stairs in 20-lit buckets. On bigger jobs we had a pushbike wheel set up with a rope over it to haul buckets up from below. (Good old days, HUH)

An advertisement from " Australian Screed & Sand Pumping" made me think of aching knees & back not to mention the mysterious scrapes at knee height on the walls in the narrow stairwells!

Basically they send an operator and machine to your work site, which can send sand or screed (mud) to your work area! 180 meters on the flat or 90 meters vertical.

Work performed by machine in 1 day is equal (approx) to the labour of 4 men for 3 days ( 12 Man hour days)!!!

Give Craig a call on 0414 192 504 or email This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it this service is available Australia wide.

Where were these guys when I was busting my _____!

Regards the Old Stonemason.

ConMenHomeRenos

Con Men Target Spring Home Renovators

Posted on October 14,2013 by Andrew Heaton
Victorian Minister for Consumer Affairs Heidi Victoria says spring is typically an attractive time for con men, and this season was no

exception.

“Travelling conmen become much more active as spring arrives and homeowners start looking at ways to fix and upgrade their homes,” Victoria said in a message to home owners last week. “They door-knock for work such as painting, roof restoration, driveway work and tree- lopping and put you under pressure to agree to get the work done immediately. Sometimes they even drive you to an ATM to get payment up-front.”

All told, Consumer Affairs Victoria received 98 reports of such activity throughout 2012-13, with a notable shift from regional areas to the outer suburbs.

Residents in Victoria, however, are not alone in being targeted. A Facebook page set up to warn homeowners around Australia abounds with stories of dicey activity.

In the New South Wales mid-north coast, for example, residents have been warned about men offering roof repairs who claim to be conducting a survey from the local council about house insurance and roof repair claims – one of whom proceeded to place his ladder upside down and the wrong way against a building while preparing to do some work.

Elsewhere in that state, there have been widespread reports of ‘bitumen bandits’ – unlicensed con men offering bitumen driveways and other asphalt work and demanding up-front payment despite clear rules mandating a 10-day cooling off period and making it illegal for door- to-door traders to take immediate payments of more than $100.

Some con men have become serial offenders and have been the subject of several warnings for undertaking unlicensed fencing, decking and minor building work under various names (often sub-standard and unfinished). New South Wales Fair Trading noted that one such offender, Mathew Geoffrey Rixon, was earlier this year banned from any involvement in residential building work by the Supreme Court.

Likewise, in Perth, 29-year-old Cody Williams has been convicted on a number of counts of unregistered painting and having posed as a licensed painter.

Residents are not the only ones to be targeted. In Tamworth, for example, businesses, schools and clubs are being approached by a gang with Irish accents who simply take money and run after offering line marking for car parks and other painting services with a sales pitch of a special price for a same day job.

Consumer Affairs Victoria warns homeowners to be suspicious of unexpected door-knockers, especially where they offer ‘cheap’ deals ‘for today only’, demand up-front payment, offer to drive the homeowner to the bank to get money for payment or in any way make the homeowner feel pressured to accept their offer.

Victoria urges residents who suspect a travelling conman is knocking to refuse to answer the door or at least to ask them to leave and call Crime Stoppers.

In 2011, a national taskforce was established to catch any such people who cross state borders. So far around the nation, such efforts have resulted in 53 prosecutions, $475,000 worth of fines and 46 registered breaches of visa rules.

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Porcelain Hazing

TILERS AND STONEMASONS

UNDERSTANDING SURFACE REFLECTIVITY ON POLISHED PORCELAIN TILES

ARE THOSE CHEAP - SQUARISH - BOWED & BUCKLED TILES REAL PORCELAIN



WHAT IS SURFACE REFLECTIVITY?

Surface reflectivity is the effect or ability of the surface upon which light falls to reflect that light.

In layman terms it would be described as the products ‘shininess’

Light reflects differently off different types of surfaces.

Reflection off a smooth surface such as a mirror is know as ‘specular’ reflection and will be reflected at a consistent angle off that surface .

             Specular Reflective

Reflection off a ‘rough’ surface like ceramic tile is known as diffuse reflection and the light will reflect at many different angles .

                        Diffuse Reflection

Although polished porcelain tile looks mirror like they are not.

Under a microscope it contains hundreds of small pores and indentations.

As such any light that reflects off a polished porcelain tile will be diffuse or variable.

Due to the manufacturing process, it is impossible for tile manufacturers to produce tiles that have an absolutely flawless surface and will be mirror like even though some products are shinier than others.

Customers perceptions or expectations that polished tiles should be mirror like and flawless should be corrected before any purchase is made.

VARIATIONS IN SURFACE REFLECTIVITY

While the term ‘optical hazing’ is often used to describe inconsistencies noticed in the reflective properties of some polished surfaces, surface reflectivity can encompass a broad range of visual observations.

As such using the terms ‘variation in surface reflectivity’ or ‘variation in shininess’ is more representative than using the term ‘optical hazing’.

Most times these variations are invisible under normal lighting, and are usually onlynoticed when polished surfaces are illuminated by light coming in from the side at a low angle.



In such lighting conditions, a variety of inconsistencies have been reported, including light colored cloudy spots, dark shadow spots, dark shadow ribbons that run across the entire tile, and wavy regions of inconsistent reflectively.

The most common complaint is that the tiles that looks ‘smoky’ or cannot be made to look clean.

WHAT CAUSES VARIATIONS IN SURFACE REFLECTIVITY?



In most cases, variations in surface reflectivitycan either be attributed to –

· A less sophisticated polishing procedure.

- Polishing materials, machine maintenance and polishing technology (e.g. static vs sliding head)

can all affect the aesthetic appearance of the finished product.

· A less dense body of the materials being polished.

- Even when the highest quality polishing technology is used, variations in surface reflectivitycan still occur on tiles with less dense ‘porcelain’ bodies.

True porcelain has water absorption of 0.5% or less.

ARE VARIATIONS IN SURFACE REFLECTIVITY AN EFFECT OR A DEFECT?

The Australian Standard AS – 4495.2 does not consider ‘optical hazing’ this, however, does not mean that variations in surface reflectivity are not defects.

As yet there is still no definitive answer as to if variations in a surfaces reflectivityis a defect.

One of the reasons for this is because a variation in surface reflectivity is only an aesthetic consideration as it and does not compromise the performance of the tiles.

To a large degree how the variation is considered will depend on to what degree any variation manifests itself once laid, but more importantly if the purchaser was made aware of the possibility before purchase.

SUPPLIERS SHOULD - Based on ACCC guidelines make a customer aware, with the product in question, –

· The tile display shows the effect (if possible).

· The tile display clearly displays a notice advising that ‘this item displays variations in surface reflectivity.’

· The customer was given clear advice and information about what the variation is and will look like.

· Any variation occurred consistently throughout the finished job and is not random or spasmodic, excepting, variations occurring randomly or spasmodically could also be considered an effect if the -

- Display had a notice on if stating that the item displays spasmodic or random variation, and,

- The customer was made aware that the item they had bought displays spasmodic or random variation.





CAN I GUARANTEE THE PRODUCTS I FIX/LAY WILL NOT DISPLAY VARIATIONS IN SURFACE REFLECTIVITY?

As outlined earlier, it is impossible for manufacturers of polished porcelain to produce products that are mirror like or absolutely flawless.

This is because although the finished product looks ‘glass like’, it is not, as the polishing process opens up hundreds of small pores and indentations and when the light strikes those pores and indentations it reflects off in all different directions.

Manufacturers claim that no reliable method exists to detect variations in surface reflectivity

during the manufacturing process and the variation is usually only apparent after the tiles are laid.

As such manufacturers do not guarantee against variations in surface reflectivity.

Similarly, wholesalers also do not guarantee against it either.





HOW CAN I BEST AVOID BUYING PRODUCTS WITH VARIATIONS IN SURFACE REFLECTIVITY?

Many polished porcelain products are not affected by variation in surface reflectivity and have been supplied into the market place for years without complaint.

These products come from manufacturers that have developed processes that produce a uniformly consistent and high quality polished surface on true porcelain with sliding head machines that reduces pores and indentations to such an extent that variation in surface reflectivity is not an issue.

They are also usually higher priced because of this.





Questions to ask your supplier –

1) What guarantees do you provide for your polished porcelain products against variations in surface reflectivity (‘optical hazing’)

2) How long has your manufacturer been supplying this product into the world market?

3) Do others supply this product in Australia?

If so - Who?

- For how long?

 - Whom can I contact from there to talk to about it?

4) Have you ever had any claims or complaints from any of your customers world wide that this product displayed variations in surface reflectivity (‘optical hazing’)

5) Is your product "true porcelain" with water absorption of 0.5% or less?

6) What polishing processes and procedures were used and does it include sliding head polishing technology

To further understand if the product you have purchased is likely to display variations in surface reflectivity, with each batch lot delivered to you –

- Take a number of sample pieces from a number of different cartons.

- Remove any wax if it is present.

- Mark the surface of each tile with a non permanent white board marker.

     

      If the ink does not rub off it is an indicator that the tile may display a variation in surface             reflectivity.

     

      If the ink rubs off it may be an indicator that the tile does not display variations in surface            reflectivity, however, it may also be because the tile is pre-sealed.

In both cases, then, you should also do the following –

- Take the tiles to an area where you can observe them with light coming in from the side at a low angle.

- Look for any variation (usually ‘smokiness’) in the surfaces reflectivity.

TILERS & STONEMASONS ASK YOUR CLIENTS ABOUT THEIR PURCHASE.

(1)Are your tiles of an acceptable quality -

That is, they will be acceptable in appearance and finish and free of defects once fixed on the job



(2)Match the samples displayed or shown. are these the tiles you purchased



(3)Match any description given by their supplier.

THE CUSTOMER YOU ARE FIXING THE PORCELAIN FOR IS AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING BEFORE PURCHASE

· All tile displays of the product in question are displayed to clearly show the effect.

As this is often not possible (as it is difficult to replicate the lighting conditions that can result in variations in a surfaces reflectivity appearing) then you need to make the client aware by undertaking the following recommendations -

· A notice is clearly placed on all displays and all samples of the product in question stating that ‘this product displays variation in surface reflectivity.’

· Have a brochure explaining variation in surface reflectivity and showing the effect readily available for all consumers to access.

· Give a copy of the brochure to everyone who purchases the polished porcelain in question from you.

· Make a note on the sale document that the customer has been advised of and given information on variation in surface reflectivity of the product they have purchased.

· Additionally, the unintentional concealment of variations by wax coatings can complicate the discovery of any variation.

· As such the consumer should be advised at the point of sale of this fact, if the tiles you are selling have a wax coating, as well of the possible extra cost of the waxes removal.

 

DISCLAIMER

This notice is to be used as a guide only and should not be taken to constitute professional advice or a formal recommendation and we exclude all representations and warranties in relation to the content of this notice.

All consumers should seek professional advice through their local Australian Tile Council Member for their specific individual application.

 

DIY large tile install

Thin Tiles

Fellow Stonemasons/Tilers,
The "THIN" Tile revolution is upon us.( you blokes are just so lucky). As pointed out in a leading magazine on tiling."TILETODAY" Please do yourself a favour and get a copy. On page 78 of the latest addition is a chart , hopefully it will help. Now readers here is what I have to say, sorry about the poor spelling & granmarr, the only reason I went to school was to eat my Vegemite Sangers, the school had the only shady spot for miles(kilometers) around!

         Regarding the laying of THIN TILES the TILETODAY magazine quote some lines from the Australian Standard 3958.1 2007.
Don't hurry I will wait until you have looked it up in your  FREE  Australian Standards Hansard  relevant to our trades, with all of the amendments which have been posted to you.  Stop looking  I know most of you haven't got one,(why ? as they are very expensive,and they should have given us one!)  and if you see one please don't photocopy it or you will suffer the same fate as Mr Ned Kelly( he couldn't spell either).
                                                          I  though we would get issued with these when we paid for our useless (Expensive) Sub Contractors Card. Unfortunately, my common sense brain thinks,  that if I'm to follow their bloody rules they should give me the damm rule book!!! ( I know, I'm a stupid old fart) However I digress,lets get to my point. The AS 3958.1 2007 says "as the preparation of the background is normally carried out by other trades, the tiler should not proceed unless he considers that the preparatory work is satisfactory."The article in "TILETODAY" claims this is a forewarning to us layers. Well Guys & Girls I am here to tell you that "TILETODAY" is 100% correct.  Us dumb layers have know for Millennia(millions of years,dummy!)that 90% of the Trades before us were not worth feeding!  TILETODAY Also states that "the tile fixer should also check that surfaces prepared to receive tiles should be dry, clean and firm, free of laitance,efflorescence,or oily or waxy films. A flat, sound surface is one of the most important elements in any tiling project. 
                                                                              Hold the phone! Lets get down to the nitty gritty. Saw my legs off and call me shorty, people are aware of the fact that the trades that precede us, are generally not worth two knobs of Goat Shit, why else would they forewarn us in the Australian Standards, maybe the preceding trades have the same issues as us, and are also forced to feed their families on 10 year old sub contract rates!
                                                                          . How come we layers are the work supervisors and the BSA inspectors all rolled into one? We only came on-site to lay (and get paid for) your tiles/slabs. Not to tell the client/builder his concrete slab has more waves in it than a family reunion. What about the yellow tongue structure floor that springs up and down like the kids trampoline on Saturday morning? How about the huge bow(around navel height,belly button, please try and keep up) in most bathroom walls. What about the internal corners in the shower,usually takes two vegemite sandwiches as packing to get the level plumb. This is not the layers responsibility, you,the builder,client,work supervisor and BSA inspectors need to get off your freckle and ensure the preceding trades do their jobs to the standards,not leave your job to us. (not just the Aus Standards, but good tradesmen like standards).

   Lets have a look at the other things we are supposed to bloody well control! 
 
  The job should be dry:-  Shit now I'm a bloody plumber!     
  The job should be clean:-  Give me a break we have just shifted all of the left over noggins,fibro/gyprock sheets, skirting timber, the painters tins and old roller sleeves,the bloody electricians wire offcuts as well as the brickies McDonald Packets that you bastards have been walking around for the past 6 weeks. We have to now scrape the floor to remove Mud, Paint build up (from the knocked over paint tin), Ayers Rock sized Gyprock Cement dropped on the floor & window sills, then grind the floor around the walls in the rooms were the moronic painter sprayed the floor as well as the walls & the brickies McDonald Packets. This is only half of it, we now have to sweep, vacuum and sponge the bloody surfaces, Fair Go Cobber all this for $30.00 M2 and then we have to chase your Fat Arse around to get paid!!  Not only that, we have to cut tiles around the pipes in Bathroom and Wcs that you blokes have been using to relieve yourselves in !    

                                                                

Remove Laitance from concrete floors!:- . For us egemacated richard craniums, laitance is the weak solution of lime and water which forms on top of a floor after it has been trowelled too wet or rained upon before full cure. as far as i know the only way to remove this layer, back to solid concrete is to grind it!       
Remove Effloresence:- This is simply the leaching of salts and alkaline from the concrete due to excessive moisture. Acids remove this stuff,however the underlying moisture problem must be addressed or like your mother in law "she willa kep comen a backa"     
Remove Oily or Waxy films-  Oily films such as on floors around stoves and sinks use sugar soap or dish washing machine powder with hot water then clean with plenty of fresh water. Waxy Films such as retardants sprayed on slabs and water resistant coating on yellow tongue structa fllor boards the answer is grind ,grind and grind some more!!!   I always tested for the presence of this crap by flicking water on the suspect surfaces, if it beads like water on a newly polished car. Then Grind,Grind & some more!!! Over all timber product floors I believe good tiling practice is to sheet the floor with 6mm tile underlay,nailed/screwed to manufacturers requirements(personally I used to Liquid Nail under the sheet as well. 
          I guess what I am trying to say is "who pays for what". Keep in mind we are the finishing trades along with the painters & soft floor layers, (you know ,carpet layers the bloke who chips ,with a hammer, the tile in the dunny doorway, and the builder makes you replace it free of charge before he pays you) who are generally the last on site(money is now in short supply).  A couple of months ago the local council , the concreters,the plumbers, the gypos, the roof tilers they all go paid while the client/builder had a heap of biscuits in the tin, then he decided a new F100 truck & Boat, would suit his life style. Then we, the dumb tiler/plumber/floor leveler/floor grinder/building maintenance/supervisor/chemical investigator of waterproofing-oily film-waxy substance/ general whipping boy & cleaner  turn up to lay tiles for $30.00m2. Who pays and How much, is paid to us for all of the other services we provide to make this building saleable! About now the dumb finishing tradie is told " Look mate, this job went over budget a bit, if you do my next house(at a cheaper rate) I will fix you up for both jobs, whats that?  You say, I need to feed my wife and kids! He replies,Honestly mate your wife and kids could do with loosing a few kilos"  This advice is just another service from our esteemed clients/builders.

Just a Thought, we are told to follows rules, who enforces the rules for the rest, especially the rule "you pay good money for a good job"One last thing Mr K Rudd or anyone of the other out of touch idiots who make the rules!  we wish for an arbitrary (Statutory)body of our piers, given the power to ensure all sub contractors are payed, providing their work meets the RULE BOOK, also the assets of shonks are seized and distributed fairly to the trades concerned! Also stop the shonky builders who go  broke in one Australian State and then start all over again in another Australian State.

  Before I finish, I must plainly state. In 45 years of being in the building industry only a small percentage of Clients/Builders are as I describe above. Some of them are the greatest people you wish to meet, Such as my old mate from Charleville  Doug Weare   Roy Bignell   Jeff Whitehead   Pommie Walker & Last but not least  Kenny Short . I also had the privilege to tile and build monuments with Lionel Crook and Norm Glinderman. I absolutely loved being a Stonemason & Ceramic Tiler. 

OKAY, now that all of you blokes have been nodding your heads in agreement with all that I have said, lets have a look at us, The Craftsmen/Tradesmen Tilers. We all want to be paid good money for a fair days work, correct? Are we professional layers or just "run of the mill" subbies. How about we take a look at ourselves.

Your a professional because:-   You have a BSA sub contractors card.
Your a professional because:-   You have a copy of the tiling section of the latest Aus Standards
Your a professional because:-   You have a portfolio of your tiling & stone work.. Complete with past customers recommendations
Your a professional because:-   You have a small web site with your contact details and finished projects
Your a professional because:-   You have a work shirt with your name on it, or you at least dress neatly
Your a professional because:-   You arrive at your work site in a presentable vehicle
Your a professional because:-   You arrive on site when you said you would
Your a professional because:-   You treat your customers as you would like to be treated
Your a professional because:-   You have given or will give your customers a "written" quote
Your a professional because:-   You have researched the recommended primers/adhesives/grouts/sealants for your customers work
Your a professional because:-   You have assured your customer, that you can be trusted in their house while they are at work
Your a professional because:-   You have explained to your customer what is the problem with the substrate they wish you to cover with tiles/stone.
Your a professional because:-   You have researched the recommended products and procedures to rectify your customers tardy substrates
Your a professional because:-   You have given your customer instructions on how to rectify the substrate if they wish to do it themselves
Your a professional because:-   You have given your customer a written variation of cost, for you to fix the problem substrates 
Your a professional because:-   You will conduct yourself/staff in a tradesman like manner during the course of the work
Your a professional because:-   You will leave the work site in a clean and tidy state at the end of your contract.
Your a professional because:-   You will explain to your customer, why you are not starting this job if the Tiles/Stone or substrate are not of an acceptable standard for you to guarantee yourself and your customer that,  both will be happy with the finished result!

If I had to sum up what I would like to say to all of the young up and coming Stonemasons/Tilers, is this.
Be a professional,find the latest tools and information,Equip yourself with knowledge of all aspects of your trade such as Aus Standards,Adhesives,Laying Methods,Legal Information about Quoting & Rectification Orders also your customers rights. Stand up for yourself and your trade,explain to people(nicely) why you have to charge more for certain things that you do. Be proud of your self, your knowledge and your work. Most of all don't just whinge and whine about a problem, find away to fix it and charge accordingly. Don't forget if you don't know something ask somebody else( sometimes you will discover that other people are dumber than you! )
                                            Here is a question for you, what is the most valuable piece of tiling equipment you must carry with you every day? Tile Cutter ?NO. Laser Level? NO. It is your current diary, Please get into the habit of writing something in it daily on the correct date, keep a special pen to record your daily notes( don't use this pen for anything else). Your Diary is your best asset, faithfully record the time taken to clean the work area, time and amount of primer with brand used, how long it took to tile a 100m2 stick down floor, How long to tile a 30 m2 bathroom (walls Only) in 600x 300 rectified edge tiles. How long it takes to grout each job and amount of grout( including the quarter of a bag left over, that you will eventually throw away). How long to do steps. Record the amount of Adhesive & Brand to do each Area. Record the condition of the surfaces to be tiled. Record the general weather, Hot, Cold, Raining, Hot & windy etc etc. Record the concerns that you voiced to the Client/ Builder or Supervisor about the particular work to be carried out. Record the instruction from them( Your Diary is your best defence in Court.) Remember " Honesty is the best policy". Review all of the data collected about a particular tiling job, from this you can work out your laying charges accurately. Raise or lower your rates accordingly!

Regards the old stonemason                                                                      fishing_in_sleep

   

The Aus Standards lines are quoted from the "TILETODAY" magazine, what a great magazine! The Articles and Adds for products are second to none, I always read it from cover to cover.  You can get your own copy from This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it  A special thanks to tiletoday keep this great mag coming, hopefully I can encourage more tilers to read it.

                                                     

 

 

Porcelain Tiles

PORCELAIN TILES:-

What a nightmare!%@#$   The Retail Sector pass the buck straight to us guys, the DUMB Layers!
Here is a list of problems associated with these tiles,that I have heard :-

Size issues ( Tiler to blame) Stupid layer didn't, size or grade the whole 120m2 before he laid them for $30.00 a M2.
Tiles manufactured out of square.( Tiler to blame) Reason as above.( Client wasn't told, his beautifull tile that he paid $ 90.00M2 came from China at $8.00M2)
Thickness variation (Tiler to blame) as above
Wax Removal from surface of porcelain.( Bloody Tiler wanted more money. Ungratefull bastard, the chinese gave it to us for nothing!)
Grout Haze left on porcelain after grouting(Tiler to Blame) I have had a look at a few of these jobs and I believe it has nothing to do with wax or grout removal,
instead I believe it is poor polishing,actually I believe it hasn't been polished at all,more like honed than polished. if not more like Oxcalic Acid burn on terrazo or marble
I was a master at it as a stonemason apprentice!

Cuping of tile. Caused by the incredibly high temp during manufactuer( Not the dumb tiler sitting on the boxes at smoko)
Bowing of tile.As above
Corner of tile dipped. (As above) Mate don't lay this shit Strecher Bond, as you are laying dipped corners against raised centres.
Tiles went drummy. Client blames the Dumb Tiler for using cheap glue(had to cut the cost down to make some money out of $30.00m2). Hold the phone, what was the dumb Tiler told about:-
WAS HE TOLD ABOUT---The retardant the concreter sprayed on the slab to slow down the drying/cracking !
WAS HE TOLD ABOUT---That white powder on your hands after handling tiles,is actually the release agent from the tile factory!
WAS HE TOLD ABOUT---The porosity level of these tiles(This is why adhesives were invented,to stick low porosity tiles to over trowelled floors) When the tiler asked the client/builder if he knew, he said the bird with the nice ____ at the tile shop said, dunno mate get your dumb tiler to read the box. (anybody out there read chinese!)
WAS HE TOLD ABOUT---The sunlight/heat that is expected to come through the huge expance of glass on the western wall. This heat is why the Aus Standard ask us to treat this tiled floor as if it was a external floor and put in the required expansion joints. Shit SORRY are they the same exp joint the Dumb Tiler said were mandatory and he would have to charge you extra,and you said piss off!!!
WAS HE TOLD ABOUT---The poor quality finish of the concrete slab. Up and Down concrete slabs( called WAVES, in my time I have seen more waves in concrete slabs ,than a family reunion!) These waves mean that the Dumb Tiler has to lay each tile approx 4 times, by lifting and packing each tile to make it level, hang on a minute 4 X $ 30.00 equals $120.00. My Quote to level the slab at $27.00 m2 would have been cheap. Thats right you told me to Piss off again,as you wouldn't pay that much.( but you expect me to lay the floor 4 times and provide the extra adhesive FREE) I remember. Thats why i asked how come your father was your mothers brother!
Lipps in a Porcelain Floor:- Main Causes :-Waves in concrete slabs, Dumb Tiler not being paid to level floor before hand.--  Badly Manufactured Tiles, -- Dumb Tiler using an Adhesive that shrinks during the curing period.--  Dumb client/builder who allows dogs,other tradesmen and clients to walk on floors to early,--  Last but not least Dumb Tilers themselves.
Joke of the Centuary:- Client is told by good looking bird in the Tile Shop, your Dumb Tiler will charge you less to lay 600 x 600 porcelain as one tile covers the same physical area as four  300x300 tiles. no Shit nice ____.

Joke of the next Centuary:- Client/Builder says, I have just learnt that my porcelain Tiles have to be sealed to stop my Red Wine & Cheese from staining it, that was in your $30.00 a m2 ,wasn,t it.

PISS OFF !! OOPPS pardon the building site language. Up yours!!

Kindest Regards

The Old Stonemason,Dave

P.S. Porcelain Tiles, you Bl____ Ripper, import another million square meters(square yards allways sounded more profesional,)But this time,please,pretty please,wise up the people selling it,wise up the people buying it. Give the poor Dumb Tiler a break and blame something other than us!!!

P.P.S. I never noticed before how much Rex Hunt looks like me! Damm Lucky Bloke!

 rexhunt

 

 

Hints & Tips

To remove existing tiles there is little option but to get stuck in with a hammer and bolster chisel or one of the jackhammers available. Wear good gloves and goggles, as splintered tiles can be very sharp indeed. For the lazier amongst you (like us!) an electric chisel can be hired from tool hire centres...Please do not expect to have a perfectly flat floor when you have finished with one of these! However the resulting rough surface can be easily smoothed with a good primer and self leveling cement product.

32smallTo remove old vinyl tiles you need the patience of a saint and Herculean strength. It is, we believe, the worst job on the planet! A good floor scraper is a must, but even these do take a lot of muscle. Some tiles will "chip" up if you hit them close to the edge with a hammer and bolster,(flying vinyl chips will easily mark existing gyprock walls). A hot air gun, applied gently to the adhesive, will loosen it and allow it to be scraped up as well. Over the years I have used gas torches to heat the surface of the vinyl tiles. This makes them much easier to remove. The vinyl adhesive remaining on the floor, must be scraped to remove all excess. Grinding of the surface only smears the adhesive into the concrete pores. Once the excess vinyl adhesive is removed ,roll a prebond product on to the surface,allow this to dry then tile normally.

With all floor tiling, it is a much better job if you can tile before the skirting boards are installed, however there is a skirting saw available which will cut the required depth from the bottom of all skirting and architraves (QUICKLY). For one, the skirting will then hide any "not so perfect" cuts you have made,also this complies with the Australian Standards Requirement of a expansion joint around the perimeter of he whole room!

Tradespeople

Our list of tradesmen and women is enormous,5,400 Australia Wide (over 1,500 at last count, in Queensland alone!). Please contact us if you require the services of a tradesperson and we will put you in touch with the best person or people for the job.

In the meantime, or typist is punching away at her keyboard getting the list together .

All Tilers are invited to have their names put forward by us,for tilling work in their areas,however if you don't tell us about yourselves, we can't pass your details to clients.Please send me an E-Mail or Text Message with your details and the area you wish to cover.

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Stone and Ceramic Tile LAYERS OFFICE

dunnyofficeThe perfect location to receive and archive information from the building industry. Some useless information examples to follow...

Example A: FLUSH THIS ONE, BABY! (House paint over spray, on the walls and floors. The builder tells you, "It will be right, mate, the glue company will guarantee it!"

That piece of information could cost you heaps!

Example B: (You can use Mastic over all waterproofing membranes!) Mastic needs to be in contact with at least one porous surface.

Example C: (A certain waterproofing company says you can use a certain bag glue over their membrane, they claim the glue manufacturer will guarantee it!). No tiler to this day has seen the piece of paper it's written on. I even rang the glue Manufacturer, and was told no we don't give written guarantees on that waterproofing. Only on our own stuff!

LAST BUT NOT LEAST!

Example D: The promises about payment from the last Job / Builder! (YOU can even wipe, with most builders promises!)

hi Fellow Tilers, Stonemasons. David here. How is the constant struggle going

About Us

Tilers Trade Shop is owned and nurtured by Dave Armour.06-07-dscn0146

Dave was a pioneer of Tilers Express in Queensland . We are based in Stapylton near Yatala in beautiful South East Queensland, halfway between Brisbane and the magnificent Gold Coast.. The demand for our products & services has been so great we have opened a second store on the beautifull Sunshine Coast at Kunda Park near Maroochydore.

We provide all products to the Tiling Industry, from Sponges to Diamond Tools, from Trowels to Hard Stone Polishing and Rubber Adhesives to Waterproofing,all other areas in between. We are the Complete one stop shop, for Ceramic Tilers, Bricklayers, Solid Renderers, Stonemasons and D.I.Y.

So, as the tilers tool shop where do we differ from any other Supplier, you may ask? Well we do differ - as our motto states 'Trades with Honour' and we do. We stand behind you every inch of the way. Dave Armour and his crew have been there, and are experienced tilers in every sense of the word,Dave and his family have been in the tiling and stone industry for 45 years. In that time Tiling Tools have changed, water levels to Laser levels, mixing Mud by hand to using a Bell mixer. Hand Fixing tiles to adhesive fixing.


Tile cutting has changed as well. Dave started out with a hand held tile scriber. To date he has worn out many Superior and Sigma tile cutters and a Rubi tile cutter. The advent of the Diamond Blade has been one of the trades greatest moments! Shame the BSA can't instill, HONESTY & HONOUR in a few Builders as well!

All wall tiling was fixed by (hand fixing) and all floor tiles were laid in mud (screeded floors). Tilers today have it a lot easier with adhesives and notched trowels, however it is still a trade which takes a toll on their elbows, knees, back and hands. Tilers and Trade Shop, have an experienced professional available - should you have any questions.

truck-and-uteWe have access to thousands of Ceramic Tilers Australia Wide. So far we have proudly found a quality tiler for all tiling work inquiries directed to us from the wider public. The products and equipment we sell are of the highest standard, with both Budget and Professional ranges available.

Whether you are a pro or a do it yourself-er, come and see our range. Quality adhesive type and quantity is available, all grouting materials are also in stock at all times. Materials, Tools and expert advice - always available.

We also offer tilers express delivery on all tools and adhesives. This express delivery carry's a small fee, naturally.

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